Episode 1: We’re live!

Hosts Holli and Casey Margell introduce the CareerSpotlight Podcast and share their stories and background that lead to launching!

Episode 1: Introducing the Career Spotlight Podcast! Career Spotlight

Welcome to episode 1 of the Career Spotlight Podcast! Casey and Holli Margell met at a concert 17 years ago. They both loved music, owned the same business books, and were career focused. But their career paths have been very different. One of them has had a more linear trajectory, the other a more circuitous one. One had worked as a nanny, and one currently owns a business. Can you guess who is who?  Two kids and many jobs later, the Margells have a lot of wisdom to share about the many different professional routes that are possible. Tune in for the inaugural episode of the Career Spotlight podcast to hear about the bumps and the bright spots of your hosts’ careers.  Links: https://careerspotlightpodcast.com/  https://www.macklinconnection.com/ https://www.nativelightphoto.com/ https://www.bni.com/  Find your hosts on social: Instagram @careerspotlightpodcast Twitter @careerspotpod  We hope you find the podcast inspiring – as a thank you, download your complimentary Getting Ready Guide today: nativelightphotocom/careerspotpod.

Episode 1 Transcript:

00:41

HOLLI

Welcome to the Career Spotlight Podcast.

00:50

CASEY

In this episode of the Career Spotlight Podcast, I chat with Holli about our unique careers, and some of the events that have brought us here today. Holli, what was your favorite part of this conversation?

01:03

HOLLI

I think my favorite part of this episode was really getting to appreciate and look back on how far we’ve come from when we first met to where we are as people today.

01:15

CASEY

Let’s dive right in.

01:23

HOLLI

Casey, do you remember where we first met?

01:26

CASEY

How could I forget? We met at The Crocodile, about 17 years ago.

01:32

HOLLI

Yeah, actually, it might be almost exactly 17 years ago.

01:35

CASEY

Yeah, and we were both there because we had some mutual friends. We were friends with somebody playing in a small local band.

01:43

HOLLI

That’s right. Yeah. Yeah, that was pretty awesome. And what were we doing at that time in our lives? Do you remember what you were doing?

01:55

CASEY

I was living on Capitol Hill in Seattle, and working for a company called stockcharts.com. And I probably had been there a couple years, two and a half years.

02:08

HOLLI

Yeah. And I was living in West Seattle and working for a small tech startup, basically doing in person sales. So, here we are 17 years later. And now we are raising two young teens. And we’re starting to have conversations with our 15-year-old who’s looking for his first job. And our 13-year-old who is curious about going to college.

02:30

CASEY

She has some big ambitions there. It’s interesting, our contrasting career experiences provide us with some examples of different options that are available to our kids. And the different paths people take.

02:45

HOLLI

Right. And yeah, it’s interesting as our 15-year-old’s looking for his first job, just thinking back to our first jobs. Do you remember what your first paycheck job was? When you actually started getting a paycheck. What was it?

02:59

CASEY

My first paycheck job was as a lifeguard at a local indoor pool that was near our home.

03:08

HOLLI

Cool. And why did you decide that that was the job for you at the time?

03:12

CASEY

We were doing swimming lessons there. And we had been going there for years. And so we knew the staff, knew the manager. And I was coming up on an age where you could take the lifeguard course. And so she brought that forth, and brought forth the possibility of me taking the lifeguard course, and then coming in and getting a job at the pool. And so that’s what I did. Like, sometimes we find ourselves in situations, sometimes we choose situations, and sometimes we find ourselves in situations. And so like I found myself, I just sort of drifted into that one.

03:49

HOLLI

Okay. Yeah. Was there anything that you learned in that, that has like carried through to the rest of your life?

03:56

CASEY

That’s a great question. 

03:59

HOLLI

I just came up with it. 

04:00

CASEY

I know you did. Wish you’d primed me for that. <Holli laughs>. So, I was homeschooled. And I was still homeschooled at that time, although that would have been right around the time that I was transitioning to an advanced placement program called Running Start. So I was 16 when I started at a community college, right? And so this was right around that time. And so I was going from being homeschooled in a fairly like insular bubble, to exposure to a lot of different people who had very different backgrounds from the one that I had. And so it was really interesting to like, notice how people are and notice the different ways that people engage with each other or their different automatics. When you ask the question, that’s what comes to mind. Just noticing different people, noticing differently.

04:54

HOLLI

Yeah, yeah. Did you find that your next job, did you intentionally go after that next job? Or did it also kind of fall in your lap?

05:03

CASEY

It also kind of fell in my lap. Yeah, so after that I went and I worked as a nanny for several years for a family. I was a nanny. I was the nanny. Yeah, so I did that, I worked with a now college graduate named Nick from the time he was about six months old, until I think he was about two, two or so. And then like his sister, who I think is in college right now, was born, like I helped out taking care of Nick while she was born. And then I would come help out here and there. So Scott and Val had some space and they both had stuff that they were working on.

05:52

HOLLI

So you went from lifeguarding, nannying, and then now, today, you’re a software engineering leader. How did those early jobs, like how did you get from there to there? Like, what piqued your interest in software engineering?

06:06

CASEY

Yeah. So when I started college, I didn’t know what I wanted to do. And I started and I was kind of aimed at like a general business administration degree. And so like, I took the business math, and I took some statistics and different things like that. But then, when I was a nanny, the couple that I was nannying for, they had both gotten into Microsoft early. And they did very, very well for themselves. And so like I was noticing, I saw their lifestyle, you know, and I had a lot of conversations. I had some conversations with Scott about it, and what he liked about it, what he didn’t like about it, and that kind of attracted me to that. 

So I took a couple of programming classes. And, like I have always been pretty analytical. And so I found that I could definitely do it. And there was certainly demand for it. This would have been the late 90s. And so, it was the middle of like, there’s a startup boom, I graduated right after there was a tech bubble of sorts. And so I graduated after that, I missed that. So like I, and even my first job actually came through Scott, because he drew a referral to Scott because they had introduced me to someone else, Chip and Sally Anderson, who needed help with somebody to watch their kids. And so I started working for them. And then I did an internship in college with Scott at his small startup, we were doing Palm Pilot games.

07:47

HOLLI

Oh wow. I haven’t thought of Palm Pilots in a long time. <both laugh>

07:52

CASEY

But my first real job, my first full time job was actually with Chip, at stockcharts.com. It came through my network, right? But I didn’t actively go, you know, I want a company like this. Right, I want a company that’s this size, and this, and I get to work. I did the work. 

08:11

HOLLI

You did the work. You showed up and you followed through. It didn’t fall in your lap, I would say, you know, and same thing with lifeguarding, you did the work, you did the class and you did take the requirements to be able to do that opportunity. It sounds to me like you were influenced by the people you knew, and it wasn’t necessarily your family saying you’ve got to become a doctor, right? Like some people grow up with expectations from their family of origin. Whereas for you, it was more about your, you know, the people in your circle, so to speak, and the opportunities that they showed you.

08:45

CASEY

Yeah, absolutely. Right. And we’re all like, influenced by the people around us whether we intend to be or not.

08:52

HOLLI

Right, right. So I want to just jump in and ask you like, further questions on that. Because you’re still in that world of software engineering, but you’ve also, you know, you’ve risen or you’ve climbed the ladder, for lack of a better description, in terms of, you know, stepping into leadership roles, working with international teams. Can you tell me a little bit more like, you know, why you’ve stayed in this career pathway? And what are some of like the most rewarding, or the things that keep you in it? Like I know, some people in your industry burnout, and they decide to switch careers entirely. And certainly there have been changes in technology over the course of the time that I’ve known you. So if you could just kind of let me know what’s kept you in it. And also, what are some things that you found most rewarding?

09:45

CASEY

There’s a couple of things that immediately come to mind. First, there’s the stability of it. Early in my career, we had kids, right? So there’s like the continuity provided a certain amount of stability for us. And it’s only recently that I’ve really started thinking about, oh, is this? Like, what does a sales job look like? Why might I want to do that, or different things? And so I’m out, I’m learning more. But one of the things, like you talked about what I find rewarding about it, and I think that has shifted a lot, right? And so when I started, I really enjoyed solving problems, right? And that feeling of accomplishment, like when you’re working on a bug, right? 

10:35

HOLLI

What’s a bug? For those who are listening, they might not understand, they think of the bug crawling on the ground.

10:39

CASEY

Right, and a spider you just smash it. So in software, a bug is some undesirable behavior that happens, right? And sometimes that means that the computer, the program crashes, or that you click on a button and it does the wrong thing, or a calculation is incorrect. There’s an error of some sort. Often it is user-impacting, because, like, we’re all doing our best, but we miss things as human beings, right? We make mistakes, we miss things. It’s part of the deal. And so like, when you’re working through a problem, and whether that’s building something new or fixing a bug, it’s deeply satisfying to finish it, especially when it was a stretch, right? And you’re like, I don’t know if I can figure this out. And then you can see it. So it’s the solving the problem that’s really rewarding. It was my experience. 

Over time, that’s shifted away, I still really enjoy the rush of fixing something, especially when I wasn’t sure. Or, like at my last employer, there’s one issue that stands out in my head in particular, where it was like, oh, these things aren’t adding up properly. But they have to add up just like this in this way, and if this is the case, then it’s calculated this way. And it was kind of a maze. And we had, a couple of our large customers were unhappy about it. And I worked the weekend, I remember. And I, you know, I was on the phone with Grace, our product manager on that project. And she keeps going through it. And then I’d ping her a little while later, I’d be like, okay, I think I understand, it’s like this and this and this and this. And finally, like I understood how it should work. So I was able to put that into code. But I remember fixing it, and how satisfying it was that I had fixed that bug, in like an obscure area of the code. And we were able to ship it out early the next week. You know, and it was like the type of thing where, you know, I’m not a big fan of asking people to work weekends and things like that, but sometimes these situations come up, and you gotta do it and get it done. And it was a like 7am Eastern call. So like 4am for us, with the customer because they wanted an update first thing Monday. And I dialed in and listened. Alright, and Grace was like, yeah, we’ve got it figured out, here’s the schedule for delivery. And like, we retain that customer. And part of that was that I had spent time over the weekend, and worked through this thing. So on multiple levels, it was satisfying. It was satisfying that I was able to figure out how the logic should work, fix the bug. And then it was also satisfying that I was able to help the company retain this large customer. I like to make people happy, right? We had stakeholders who were very unhappy about the situation.

13:41

HOLLI

So you kind of got to be a hero in a way. 

13:45

CASEY

Right? Like yeah, and that’s something that we have to be careful with as leaders, is not encouraging, like the hero moves. But sometimes it needs to happen, or it’s justified. But like back to what keeps me in it, I’ve found that as I’ve progressed in my career, I enjoy the relationships a lot more. And like working with people and helping them grow, and often, like seeing things or producing things that they couldn’t produce, that I help them produce, that I don’t know if they could have produced without my help, right? And sometimes it’s things like, there was a situation where somebody on my team was working with a stakeholder. And they were like, I don’t think they like me. Like, I just can’t get it and they’re frustrated. And like we’re talking past each other, right? And so I was able to like coach my employee on how he’s showing up and how he’s engaging with this other person, to get through that block, but also to have him notice that some of the block, that some of what he was perceiving as a block was self-imposed. Because of his automatics. Right, because like as human beings we are messy, right? We’ve got all these automatic stories. And in his situation, it was that he was going to get found out. He was moving with the story that he wasn’t good enough.

15:16

HOLLI

Oh, wow. Yeah, you’re able to perceive that.

15:19

CASEY

Right. And so when you can notice what’s happening, and you can notice the story that someone’s in, especially if it’s something that’s deep in them, right? Or like there’s something deeply meaningful to them, and impactful. And if you believe in people, it goes a long way. Especially, and you let them know, right?

15:40

HOLLI

How have you been able to learn these kinds of things to better lead people? I know you, for our listeners, I know that you’ve invested a lot in your continuing education around leadership and personal development. If you could just maybe tell us if there’s something you’ve done, or something that you would recommend when people are wanting to grow and excel in leadership.

16:06

CASEY

I definitely invest in my learning, a lot of time and energy and currency, right? And I have great networks as a result. But as far as like working with people, and how we are with others, I think my work with an organization called Macklin Connection has been really, really helpful. And we can maybe add a link in the show notes. 

16:33

HOLLI

That’d be great. Let’s do it. 

16:35

CASEY

Great. I’m happy to share more about that at another time.

16:38

HOLLI

Awesome. All right, I want to jump into a slightly different direction. Simply because I think it’s a really fantastic segue in sharing our story. And that is, you know, you have also worked with international teams, specifically with a team in India that’s provided our family, well it’s provided you a lot of joy, right. You love the food, and you enjoy learning about the culture. So tell me more about international leadership and working with teams across countries in different time zones. What has been the biggest challenge in that and then what has been the biggest joy in that? Two parts.

17:15

CASEY

So I was responsible for a team in India, as part of that, I think the 12-14 months before quarantine lockdown happened, I did five trips to India. And some of those were inside of a week, or like six days, where I was only there for three to four days. And some of those were like a couple-week long trips. And like I found it really, I really enjoyed the travel aspect of it and being immersed in a different culture. Some of the challenges, like we all are products of our environments, right? And we have different cultural backgrounds and family backgrounds. And it all bleeds into how we automatically view the world, right? And so some of the things about working with the team in India, is that they’re very hierarchy-focused, right? Whereas in the US, like, there’s a little bit less of that. And as we move away from people being like, top-down command and control environments are becoming less common in the US. Where we have more people, like flatter organizations, where, you know, the engineers are helping to make decisions and things like that. It’s not like somebody’s dictating from the top down. And so that’s part of, you know, our culture in the background, that that I can see us shifting away from.

18:44

HOLLI

Would you say that that was your biggest challenge? 

18:49

CASEY

That was one of the challenges, in some ways, and different people are different naturally, right? And different teams and things. But in some ways, you have to manage differently. And you might need to be a little bit more prescriptive about what needs to happen, and what are the conditions of satisfaction for this work that someone’s doing? Right? They don’t necessarily put the same,

19:16

HOLLI

You gotta figure out what motivates them.

19:18

CASEY

Yeah, like there’s this, they have a different background of obviousness, almost, if that makes sense. Where you say, well yeah, I said do these three things, but like that fourth thing, like, what’s this? Like, why didn’t you do this one? Right, and so it might be obvious for me, given my background or some different employees that I work with who have different aesthetic intentions. But for those folks, it’s not as obvious. Some of the specific things that I really enjoyed about managing the team there was just getting to know people, getting to learn more about their lives, and what they were after. They organize their day-to-day very different, retirement looks different. Yeah, it’s just fascinating to interact with people from different cultures. And then like being over there in the culture, the food’s fun. It’s neat to go see very different cultural things like temples and all kinds of stuff. There’s little shrines all over the place. And like they just, it’s a very different life than what we have here in the Seattle area. 

20:29

HOLLI

Yeah. And I remember, we had the opportunity to join you on one of your last trips. Yes, we had our kids, the kids and I joined you. On Valentine’s week, we landed I think on Valentine’s Day. And we were able to be there for a full week, which was barely enough time to really scratch the surface, I think, of the country. But it was really beautiful. 

And one of the things that really struck me the most, and you speak to the culture a little bit already, but I was just really moved and just in awe of being able to visit, you know, some of these temples that are so so rich, and that they’ve been such a pivotal piece of history, that those of us in the United States, we don’t have these same structures in the same capacity or magnitude. I mean, we probably do from the Native American cultures, indigenous people, we just don’t know they exist, or where they are, because they’ve been washed away. So I found that very moving to be able to visit some of these holy places in India, as well as just enjoy being immersed in the culture and giving our kids that opportunity to be somewhere that was different. And also very, I want to say delicious. They didn’t think all the food was delicious. <Holli laughs>. They also do not have a high spice tolerance or heat tolerance of their food. So that was fun. And we did that, when did we go? Do you remember?

22:00

CASEY

No, it was two years ago?

22:02

HOLLI

Yeah, it was. Almost exactly. 

22:04

CASEY

Yeah, we would have been today, as we record this. It’s February 13. You guys would have been on a plane right now, two years ago. And then we got home just in time for us all to go into quarantine.

22:19

HOLLI

That’s right. COVID started, our kids were sent home from school, I think three weeks later. And we’re told that we’re gonna take a two week break. Well, they figured out safety protocols, and then they didn’t go back for a year and a half. And yeah, the world looks very different today.

22:36

CASEY

It does, and that really impacted your business. 

22:39

HOLLI

It sure did. Yes. So I’m a professional photographer, and photography, unless your a photo journalist, is considered a non-essential business practice. So I went basically, and had to pause my business for I think a solid 4-5 months. But really, it took about a full year for the industry to really start to recover. Because, you know, people don’t want to get their photos taken if they can’t get their hair cut, or their eyebrows waxed or a facial done.

23:08

CASEY

Yeah. Got it. Will you told me a little more about how you ended up in this business? And great, you asked me this, what was your first paycheck job?

23:20

HOLLI

Yeah, so my first paycheck job was as a courtesy clerk. And for those of you that don’t know what that is, at grocery stores, the teenagers or young adults or people that may be bagging your groceries, and cleaning up messes, are in a role called the courtesy clerk. I’m actually not sure if that’s exactly what it’s called today. But I was basically hired to clean up messes and answer people’s questions, help them find things in the store, take the trash out, clean the bathrooms.

23:51

CASEY

Kind of like managing and leading people. <Holli laughs>. You clean things up.

23:57

HOLLI

Except that I was paid minimum wage, and it was a very, very good first job, I think. It really actually gave me a good preview of the variety of people, right? I dealt with the public and the variety of personalities that exist in the world. So yeah, that was my first paycheck job. And it actually kind of fell in my lap, like your lifeguarding job did. Our family went and shopped at this grocery store all the time. And the manager, first of all, I helped my mom buy the groceries. I’d run to the store on my own, you know, and pick one or two things up that we needed. And so the manager asked me, you know how old I was, and if I wanted to apply for a job, and I said, yes, I really did want to apply for that job. <Holli laughs>. I had to wait, I think about six months because I wasn’t yet old enough. But yeah, it was a great first paycheck job.

24:49

CASEY

Got it. Awesome. How did that go from there? How did you end up where you’re at today? With photography business.

24:57

HOLLI

Yes, great. So I took a very circuitous route. But to back up a little bit. One of the most fun questions people ask me is, how long have you been a photographer? And it’s a fun question to answer because truthfully, I’ve been a photographer since I was a kid when I first discovered my love of that medium, that art form. And I like to explain that I really started this to be a professional photographer, when I could first get paid for it, right, which was 18 years old. And at first I was interested in photojournalism. And then I’ve discovered that I really probably didn’t have the guts for it. And it was also in the late 90s, and the Associated Press, digital photography entered the world and the Associated Press laid off a lot, like 1000s of photojournalists, thought they could give a digital camera to a reporter and save some money and still get the same needs met. Which they discovered was not true. Photojournalism and photography is an art and a science. It’s not just clicking a button on a camera. So anyway, back to your question was, how did I get to this business? 

So I ended up doing photography as more of a hobby business since like from 18 onward, I worked for another photographer, as a wedding photographer’s assistant. That’s kind of how I got my start. And I learned quickly that really what I enjoy doing is helping people feel comfortable and at ease in front of the camera, and that I was good at that. But I also didn’t really think it could be a real career. You know, to me real jobs were things like, you know, General Manager, Office Manager, Business Owner. And I proceeded to work for a series of small business owners. And I found that I was very good at managing like the office, or taking care of the details. And like literally one of my jobs, I filed files in filing cabinets when files were paper, <Holli laughs>. 

Anyway, so back to Seattle, I was able to get a job with a startup. And it was an early tech startup. And it required me to do basically cold-call selling to small business owners. It was a lot like Yelp is today, except that we didn’t have smartphones. And a lot of businesses were not yet online, like we didn’t have websites. So long story short, I did a bunch of different things. And always photography being a passion side gig and I put all my eggs in one basket. In 2015 I had a pretty big loss in my family, as you know, that made me reevaluate. You know, if I were to die in 20 years, what would I regret not doing, and one of those things is pursuing photography full time.

27:52

CASEY

The Career Spotlight Podcast is sponsored by Native Light Photography, Holli’s business. She helps career professionals shine through headshot portraits, creates story branding photographs for small businesses to show the world what they do, and also teaches others how to take better photographs of themselves. As a thank you for listening, Native Light Photography is offering a complimentary guide for how to prepare for your next photo session. Visit nativelightphoto.com/careerspotpod to download your guide today.

28:33

HOLLI

Let’s dive right back into our episode. So I started Native Light Photography in 2015. And here we are seven years later. And I feel like the pandemic sort of gave me an opportunity to revisit and kind of feel like I was relaunching my business again, because I had to reevaluate my processes, the way I interact with clients. You know, in the past, I would meet a client in a coffee shop to plan their photo session. And now I do that over Zoom so that my point of physical contact with clients is only during their photo session, which provides less risk for them, right, in terms of the people they’re interacting with. But I also have adjusted to being able to guide and coach people for posing with a mask on, which is hard to do, depending on how far apart we are. So I do what I call mirror posing, where I guide people to like mime and mimic what I’m doing sometimes. Yeah.

29:30

CASEY

Apart from the technical aspects of photography, what has helped you with your business?

29:37

HOLLI

That’s a really good question. So there’s a lot of different ways in which you can keep growing as a photographer, a lot of workshops available, you know, different technical skills, and I’ve certainly invested in those types of things. I’ve done some international workshops. I’ve explored some new techniques. I like to continue to grow technically, right, because it provides me with more creative leeway, and then skills to offer my clients. But when it comes to business specifically, there are not a lot of opportunities out there to learn how to be a better business owner, targeted to photographers that is. There’s plenty of business books out there. And you know, one of the things I think that initially attracted me to you when we first started dating, was that we had some of the same business books because I was very interested in business. 

So to actually specifically answer your question, when I first started Native Light Photography, I was super excited. I thought, you know, I’ve got a great network of people in my community who know me, I’ve got past clients. I launched my business, and in the first six months, I only had three clients. So I was pretty discouraged. And I have, of course, friends who are photographers, and I remember distinctly having coffee with my friend Lena, who was a successful wedding and family portrait photographer and had more of like a documentary style. Anyway, I was telling her about how frustrated I was because, you know, my marketing efforts were not paying off. And she said, well Holli, you’ve got to join BNI. 

And she started to tell me about this business networking organization that I had never heard about, even though I’d had different jobs in the past working for small business owners. And I had been in the community, but no one had ever talked to me about this. And so I looked it up online, and decided to invest in becoming a member. And what I like about BNI, which BNI stands for Business Networking International. What I like about it is that it’s a structured format for business owners to get to know each other to build trust and credibility. And then there’s an accountability factor, right? And I wouldn’t say it’s, you know, the perfect solution for every business, but it’s really helped me grow as a business owner. And it’s helped me think more strategically about how I can create trust and partnerships that help me serve more clients. So yeah, it’s kind of a long way to answer your question. But I have found that, specifically, you know, when the pandemic started and I couldn’t operate business-wise, I found my group, my networking group to be a source of support, also an opportunity for me to try new things out. And one of those new things actually, right before the pandemic hit, I was asked several times if I would consider joining the support team in the organization locally. And I had said, no, no, no. And then, of course, in the pandemic I had all this extra time. So I said yes. And I’ve been able to then learn how to be a coach to others in how they network and develop their referability in this organization in the structure, I’m kind of a geek, technically. So I kind of feel like it’s very much a tech-support role, but not really, it’s more a people-support role. And so I do that very part-time. And it’s been very fulfilling to see, you know, how we as business owners can really help each other grow. So yeah, so a part-time job on the side, and I enjoy helping people, so this is a really great extension of that.

33:06

CASEY

Great, yeah, that’s deeply satisfying, and it can help other people succeed.

33:11

HOLLI

It really is, yes. And then another thing that came out of the pandemic that I haven’t really pushed a whole lot, it’s simply more of, again, another side avenue for me to use my skills, is that I decided to go ahead and launch a more personal family-oriented branch of photography business, called Holli with an i. Which I had started initially, focused more on artful portraits and kind of more fantasy, art and creative, you know, like dressing up and doing more like story book style imagery. But I took a big pause when I focused on Native Light Photography as my primary business. But I did relaunch that secondary business after the pandemic, because I found that I really missed actually working with families and kids. And so that’s been really fun. And BNI has also been a part of helping me watch that little side. Just with the people I know, not necessarily in the organization, because the format of that organization is that you have one professional per business category. So in BNI, I’m still the business photographer for headshots and websites, but there’s space for, you know, other types of photographers in the organization as well. So I want to make that clear, that I’m doing three things right now. And you could say this podcast is a fourth, but that’s kind of how I like to do things. I like to have a variety of things that I can engage with and leverage my skill set in. And in these chaotic future times that we’re living in, it’s nice to have different pockets that I can fit into, so that no matter what gets affected by what changes, I still have something that’s a way for me to engage with and serve others. 

34:57

CASEY

That sounds great. It is also a way to like diversify and de-risk your career.

35:03

HOLLI

Yes, exactly. Yeah. 

35:07

CASEY

Cool. That brings us to like, why we’re doing this podcast. One of the things that we both enjoy is talking to other people about their lives and kind of like how they got where they are now. And whether that was intentional, or whether it just sort of the situation emerged. They had a manager say, hey, would you like to work here? Right? Or like, and they just kept on that track.

35:33

HOLLI

Right? Or maybe it was a dream, like they wanted to be like someone they admired. And yeah, and I found that when I, still today when I work with clients, I really like to learn more about what they do and and why they chose to do that. Because if I can show that through images or pieces of their story in their images, they create more authentic, compelling photographs they can use to promote themselves and their identity online. And so I’m already asking these questions, and then I get excited. And I come home, and I tell you about like, oh, I met this person, and they decided to do this. And isn’t that interesting? I didn’t know someone could have a business doing that. Or, you know, wow I’m so impressed with this person. They invested in new headshots, because they want to apply to be the CFO of this company. Isn’t that cool? So I feel like this podcast is really a culmination of our lived experience, as well as one of the things we most enjoy, which are learning from others and being curious about how people get where they are. All right, well, that’s our story. We hope you want to stick around and listen to our future episodes where we will interview guests from a variety of backgrounds. We’re excited, we we’re able to make a wonderful list from our contacts of people from everything from television production, to coaching, to marketing, and food industry, all over the place. So we look forward to sharing more with you and thank you so much for listening. And don’t forget to like, subscribe and share with anyone you think might benefit from listening to the experiences of others.

37:18

CASEY

Our hope is that these stories inspire you, our listeners, on your career journey.

37:33

HOLLI

Thanks so much for joining us for this episode of the Career Spotlight Podcast. Don’t forget to subscribe on your favorite podcast platform so you’ll never miss an episode. We would love it if you left us a review and shared the podcast with someone it might help.

37:49

CASEY

You can find us online at careerspotlightpodcast.com, Twitter @careerspotpod, and Instagram @careerspotlightpodcast.

38:01

HOLLI

Until next time, take care.

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